Superman Movie: Review and Reactions
Welcome back to Pretty Passionate Podcast. I'm your host, Doctor. Ruth, and joining me today is none other than my husband, Quentin. We are here today to do an instant reaction on the newest Superman movie starring David Cornstwit. And I am a Marvel girl, to be honest with you.
Dr.Ruth:I enjoy DC output as far as TV and film, but I was never into DC comics. So my husband here happens to be a DC fan in the the only DC fan in the house.
Quenton:All about only.
Dr.Ruth:Well, the other members of the household are three and six. Yeah. For now, he's the only DC fan, true DC fan in the house. And so I thought it would be really fun to get his hot takes on the movie because we just saw it. And Yes.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. So let's get started. So I'm gonna just jump right in and say, this is by far the best DC movie I have ever seen.
Quenton:Okay. Well, I I won't say it's the best DC movie, but I will say that I really enjoyed it. And full disclosure, when they first announced that James Gunn was taking over as the head of DC Studios, I was a little concerned.
Dr.Ruth:Same.
Quenton:And then when they said that he was writing and directing the new Superman, I was extremely concerned. I was like that me
Dr.Ruth:Why were you concerned?
Quenton:Well, because, you know, James Gunn typically takes on unconventional superheroes. The Guardians
Dr.Ruth:Guardians of the Galaxy of Galaxy.
Quenton:Yeah. The last, Suicide Squad movie.
Dr.Ruth:What you did not like?
Quenton:I I enjoyed it. It was entertaining. It's but the his thing is he he does well with unconventional superheroes that most people aren't familiar with.
Dr.Ruth:Right.
Quenton:So when they said he was going to be writing and directing the Superman movie, I was like, woah, extremely concerned because it's
Dr.Ruth:Extremely concerned.
Quenton:I was like that that meme of the dude at the basketball game
Dr.Ruth:with his hands on the chips
Quenton:and looking really that was me.
Dr.Ruth:Okay.
Quenton:You know, Superman is a marquee franchise.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:Everybody knows Superman, even people that aren't So, familiar with comic James Gunn typically likes, you know, unconventional heroes that people aren't familiar with, Guardians of the Galaxy, Suicide Squad. So, yes, I was very concerned. But I will say after seeing this movie, I think DC, the film studio, all the franchises, I think they're in good hands. So yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Okay.
Quenton:So, yeah, that that's my initial
Dr.Ruth:Thoughts.
Quenton:Thoughts. I will say I'm still a big Zach Snyder, Henry Cavill, the Snyder verse. That's still my primary DC franchise, but I think DC's in good hands now.
Dr.Ruth:Like, maybe I was speaking in hyperbole, okay, about no. I still think it was like okay. So for me, as far as the movies, just DC movies that have come out from the DC comic universe is Wonder Woman, the first
Quenton:one.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. Like Which was awesome. Outstanding. Mhmm. Right.
Dr.Ruth:So okay. And then Justice League. Mhmm. Snyder Cut.
Quenton:Snyder Cut.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. Snyder Cut. That's not being disrespectful. Put the Oscars. Yes.
Quenton:On it.
Dr.Ruth:Snyder cut.
Quenton:Snyder cut was a completely different movie.
Dr.Ruth:Gosh. We can't alright. Let's not let's let's knock it off track. Totally different movie. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:So I would say those were, like, my two favorites. Okay. And then now this has come in, and I'm in I guess I'm I was so I I went in with such low expectations Mhmm. That I walked away so impressed
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That it's leaving a really big mark on me. Like, wow. Okay. So I didn't expect him to be able to deliver on this. I actually expected a little bit too much pluck and quirk.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:You know? I was like, let's not do a a a And Yeah. A Thor thing where we try to make DC too damn funny Yeah. And ruin it. But I found myself, like, okay.
Dr.Ruth:I can feel the rhythm. I could feel the I could feel the presence of James Gunn here. Right. But it wasn't ruinous.
Quenton:Yeah. And that was why I was so concerned initially because when you look at Guardians of the Galaxy and Suicide Squad, there's a lot of
Dr.Ruth:Humor.
Quenton:Humor and jokes and comedy Mhmm. Which work it works for those movies. Yeah. But you know me. I like my
Dr.Ruth:superhero movies Dark. Rooting.
Quenton:I like my superheroes a little more angsty and dark and
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:You know, because lives are on the line, you know, fate of the universe, all that good stuff. So I don't think it's supposed to be funny. But
Dr.Ruth:Right.
Quenton:So yes. So that's why I was concerned is the the comedic aspect, but it really worked for this movie. They didn't have too much in it.
Dr.Ruth:They didn't oversell the humor. Right. Exactly. They didn't do a Thor Love and Thunder where they just tried to make the whole thing a ball of laughs and fail miserably. So, like
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:I the the tone was right for me, the amount of humor, the amount of seriousness. Yeah. How'd you think about David Koren's sweat?
Quenton:You know, he was great.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:He was really good. Cavill's still my guy. Henry Cavill's still my Superman.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. That dude was born to be Superman. But
Quenton:Yeah. But Corin Sweat really he was very believable as Clark Kent.
Dr.Ruth:Agreed.
Quenton:And he he held his own as Superman. I was not disappointed in his his take on Superman.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I will say that actually is where he excelled Mhmm. Compared to Henry Cavill is that he the Clark Kent Mhmm. Aspect, I didn't think not that he did a bad job. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:But whenever they would shoot those scenes, like, in Kansas or, you know, with him at the Daily Planet Mhmm. It just felt like he's like a god among mere mortals.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Henry Cavill.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And he just I was like, hey, who how is he not standing out Yeah. You know, in this crowd with that that whole thing he's got going on? Like, who wouldn't be like does he almost looks like an alien Yeah. Because he's so freaking good looking. Exactly.
Dr.Ruth:And when
Quenton:you put glasses on him, he only gets more attractive.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. It's like Okay. Everybody's
Quenton:gonna be looking at this guy, in some newsroom.
Dr.Ruth:Right.
Quenton:Everybody's gonna be falling over
Dr.Ruth:this guy. Right. That's of reasons. Only, like, note, I guess, on on on having him. So it was interesting for me with David Corn Sweat.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. The scenes in Kansas felt really, like, authentic. Yeah. He didn't feel like he was sticking out. He felt like he could go back over to the the farm next door and help them with some tasks, no one would be like, who the is this?
Dr.Ruth:You know? Yeah. Yeah. So I I really like that that he was able to do that. And one of the things I also noticed that they were making a big point of right from the jump Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:With that opening, you know, marquee and everything of what's going on, they were trying to humanize Superman.
Quenton:Yeah. They they did a very good job at humanizing Superman. Yeah. And the that's one of the differences between Corn Sweat Superman and Cavill Superman
Dr.Ruth:is that
Quenton:Cavill Superman was more godlike. For real. He was almost untouchable.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:And even in, the last movie, the the Justice League
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:You know, he never even broke a sweat in that movie.
Dr.Ruth:No. He never It was light work for him.
Quenton:His hair never even got messed up.
Dr.Ruth:Nothing. Mhmm.
Quenton:In this version of Superman, like, they introduce us to him
Dr.Ruth:Getting trounced.
Quenton:He just got his
Dr.Ruth:butt kicked. Actually, was jarring. I'm not gonna lie. To see him, I was like, I stopped eating my popcorn because he was, like, bleeding and stuff. And I was like
Quenton:And that's not you're not used to seeing Superman. Like, Superman never bleeds.
Dr.Ruth:Never. Has None of that. Cuts on his I was like, what did this to him? Yeah. Yeah.
Quenton:So that was kudos to them because they they really humanized him, and they I don't wanna say they they kinda did Deepak. They they reduced Superman's power, so to speak, I would say. He he didn't come off as godlike. I mean, he was vulnerable both physically and emotionally. Yeah.
Quenton:You know, he was he was much more tangible, I would say.
Dr.Ruth:Tangibility was a big factor here. And I would I would definitely agree that they didn't, like, underpower him in the frustrating way that they do like the X Men. Yeah. You know, they
Quenton:didn't How they underpowered Thor and Hulk in Yes.
Dr.Ruth:The last yeah. The Avengers.
Quenton:Yeah. In
Dr.Ruth:Endgame. Again, let's not get off road. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And the other thing I like that they did to humanize him was giving him a dog. Yeah. That dog. Yeah. Switch.
Dr.Ruth:I was so invested in
Quenton:the Crypto.
Dr.Ruth:Well-being of crypto. That little freaking ear Yeah. In the air.
Quenton:It was funny.
Dr.Ruth:I was like, is that a real dog? I had to look it up. I was like, he must be, like, part CG, part real dog. There must be a dog in a green suit or something. Right?
Dr.Ruth:Like Yeah.
Quenton:I like that they didn't oversell it too
Dr.Ruth:much. Right.
Quenton:Crypto was he was still a dog.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. And he wasn't this constant Mhmm. Gag or foil. Yeah. He wasn't constantly, you know, like, oh, well, here comes Crypto to save the day.
Dr.Ruth:Like, sometimes he would just be a dog, which dogs don't always follow commands. No. No. Right? Like, when they were when he was getting sucked into that black hole, I I I almost cringed about the idea that he was, like, calling crypto and crypto was gonna save him.
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:And I appreciated that, like, no. Actually, no. Crypto was gonna come and lick the baby. Yeah. So I love the dog.
Dr.Ruth:In fact, I was like, listen. I love that dog so much. If they did a spin off
Quenton:Just with
Dr.Ruth:just with Krypto. And I would take Tino to go see it, and I put him in his little cape. You're It was he was he was the best. I was Yeah. Yeah.
Quenton:I I would say part of, humanizing Superman in this movie is that one of the things I noticed is that his earth parents, the the Kents
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:That they use pretty much, like, relatively unknown actors for that.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:Which as opposed to Cavill's Superman, they had two, like Kevin Costner. Old school Hollywood, you know, Diane Lane and Kevin Costner, who were, you know, they've been in Hollywood since they were kids. Yeah. Everybody knows who they are. You know?
Quenton:So that was a striking difference for me was that they they use relatives unknown actors Mhmm. At least to most most, you know Yeah. Yeah. Theater going public. Mhmm.
Quenton:So when you see them, it's like, oh, it's just, you know
Dr.Ruth:Regular town. You Regular. Yeah.
Quenton:People off the street. Yeah. You know? And that's I think that really helped, you know, humanize him and make him, you know, a person, just a regular dude in case.
Dr.Ruth:I think like them being on the older side.
Quenton:Yes.
Dr.Ruth:And like kind of fragile. Mhmm. And very mortal. Mhmm. Very like visibly mortal.
Dr.Ruth:You know? Like wrinkles and Yeah. Weight and Yeah.
Quenton:The dad had like the bags under his eyes.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Yeah. Just kinda looking like Kevin said. Yeah. Good old.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Middle America people that yeah. Whereas, like, Kevin Costner being your dad. Mhmm. Yeah.
Quenton:And even though it's it's a
Dr.Ruth:super bad. It's just I could see how this selection made him it just really I said, the humanism of Superman was really coming through. The human nature that they were trying to bring forward and show us. Because it feels like at the end of the movie, the one of the morals of the story was that he is not an alien. Right.
Dr.Ruth:He is
Quenton:one of us. One of us. Yeah. Yeah. Down the street.
Quenton:Yeah. Yeah. I think that's I think I feel like what they did there was kinda like Jurassic Park. Like, when you look at Jurassic Park, they didn't use a ton of, like, super huge actors at the time. Mhmm.
Quenton:But it was Sam Neil and Laura Dern
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:In the title roles. The most popular the most well known person in that movie was, Jeff Oblin at the time. Right? Yep. So when you watch that movie, there's almost a sense of realism there because they they're like regular people that
Dr.Ruth:you're looking
Quenton:at on
Dr.Ruth:you out Yeah. Remembering
Quenton:It's not Tom Cruise
Dr.Ruth:playing,
Quenton:you know, you know, doctor Grant or whatever. Like, it's a regular dude.
Dr.Ruth:You know? So you can focus on story
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:More than the stardom of the person. So that makes sense too.
Quenton:So that's I definitely felt that in in this version of of Superman.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Okay.
Quenton:Speaking of which, with the parents Mhmm. Going back to, you know, humanizing him and stuff, one of the things that I didn't really realize until later
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:Was they had Bradley Cooper playing his biological Yeah. And they they kinda did a switcheroo on us there because Bradley Cooper is a very trusted, respected name in Hollywood. Mhmm. And so the thing with the message from his parents, you know, he only had that snippet of the message saying, hey. You know, we want you to go to Earth and be great.
Dr.Ruth:Servant and
Quenton:And, you know, serve humankind and stuff. So and it's Bradley Cooper, so he, like, you believe it.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:And then when they switched it at the end Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Toward the end the second half You know it's a little more villainous. And you're like, Bradley Cooper
Quenton:Bradley Cooper would never lie to me. Well, you know, like, I've met Bradley Cooper, you know,
Dr.Ruth:when
Quenton:I was air marshal. He was the nicest dude I've ever met.
Dr.Ruth:You did say that. Was it in Philly?
Quenton:Going back to New York.
Dr.Ruth:Okay.
Quenton:Yeah. Coming back to New York.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. You did you did say that.
Quenton:And he was the nicest guy I've ever met, so I felt extremely betrayed.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Then he was like, and it's funny be yes. And it's funny because you you are right. There was some trust Yeah. Implied there with the familiarity of the face.
Quenton:Mhmm. Yeah. Because Bradley Cooper everybody knows
Dr.Ruth:Bradley Cooper.
Quenton:Yeah. Everybody loves Bradley Cooper. He's, you know, done a bunch of movies and stuff. So when you see him playing Superman's dad, you're like,
Dr.Ruth:hey. Mhmm.
Quenton:And from what we know about Superman from all the other movies and comics and stuff
Dr.Ruth:He's just inherently good.
Quenton:He's this great guy that was just trying to rescue, save his
Dr.Ruth:son Yep.
Quenton:You know, and sent him to Earth to
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:Save humanity.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:But then the spin on it in this Superman.
Dr.Ruth:Was actually brilliant. Yeah. I mean, they really, they pulled an okeydoke. Yeah. You know.
Dr.Ruth:Because that that message thing has appeared in more than one version of the story that there's Absolutely. This message, and it's telling him, Kellel, all
Quenton:this beacon to
Dr.Ruth:humanity and Show them how to do it.
Quenton:Save them and
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. And the fact that there's it's a corrupted in number four, the the droid. He mentions, oh, it's a corrupted file. And honestly, that felt like a throwaway comment to me. And then it comes back to play this huge role that, you know, actually, no, sir, you were sent here to be to rule over these people.
Dr.Ruth:And I love that. I was taken aback a little bit about how quickly the crowd turned on him, but I had to remember we're dealing with people. Yeah. You know? Because I had kept Absolutely.
Dr.Ruth:I was like, come on. Everybody's gonna start throwing soda cans at the guy? And I was, like, fickle. Yeah. The crowd is fickle.
Quenton:But that's that's people's.
Dr.Ruth:I have people there. They like to lift you up just to tear you down. So I had to, like Yeah.
Quenton:Everybody loves a good, you know, fall from
Dr.Ruth:grace. Absolutely. Mhmm. But I I was I was also it struck me how it affected him. Yes.
Dr.Ruth:And his perception of, like, what is my mission here? Another humanizing factor, you know, besides all the other things we talked about. Mhmm. What is more human than wondering what your purpose on Earth is? Right?
Dr.Ruth:He in previous, like, installments, previous versions, he's come to Earth with a dedicated mission. He knows what supposed to do. The s is hope, you know, and all this. And we just know what he he never actually has ever questioned, am I supposed to be here No. As a savior of mankind?
Dr.Ruth:Right. Whether they accept him, whether they question him and fear him because of his power is definitely something that comes up Yeah. You know, a lot. But Mhmm.
Quenton:Never this. Never him actually never had that internal
Dr.Ruth:Crisis of
Quenton:Not really.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Not really. Not really of who am I? What am I really supposed to be doing here? Am I inherently good?
Dr.Ruth:I this whole time, I thought I was inherently a force for good. And here I find I was actually sent here to be a Yeah. An emperor. Yeah. Basically.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. So I was I was like, you know, you're blowing my mind, James. You're giving
Quenton:me Superman's multi Well done. Yeah. Well done.
Dr.Ruth:Very well done. Yeah. That's where I thought you really saw the footprint. The handprints was in the the humanizing of him, the showing him not to be a perfect god person. Yeah.
Quenton:And I think that that kinda brings it back to like, Superman has always been a hard character, at least in my mind, to write for because, you know, everybody goes to the movies. You know, you watch shows and TV and movies and stuff to see conflict.
Dr.Ruth:Right.
Quenton:But how do you create conflict for the the thing that's supposed to be the most powerful being in the known universe?
Dr.Ruth:With good intentions.
Quenton:Yeah. Like, how do you, like, how do you create conflict from him when he just fly away?
Dr.Ruth:You know?
Quenton:Like, why even stay on Earth if if you get catching this much drama and stress?
Dr.Ruth:Like, why not be like peace?
Quenton:Just know what? I'm going to in this other galaxy over here.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. On Mars. This drama doesn't exist.
Quenton:Yeah. But they did a a good job, really bringing humanizing that and giving him purpose here because we had his original mandate from his biological parents Mhmm. Which we thought was, hey. Just go to Earth and be a good man. Right.
Quenton:You know, we had his ties to his family in Kansas.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:And then we had his ties to Lois Lane, who I really liked in this movie too.
Dr.Ruth:So You know what I liked about Lois? Is that I didn't like her at first. Yeah. Because me and the lady next to
Quenton:me Yeah. Y'all were
Dr.Ruth:We were like, break up her.
Quenton:Going in on this chick.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. She was like, I'm on she's when they had that argument, I was so annoyed with her because I was like, why would you needle him? He's clearly vulnerable in this moment. You know, and she's interviewing him and and really actually being a journalist. And he couldn't handle it.
Dr.Ruth:He couldn't hack it because those questions were a little.
Quenton:They were real. Were Questions.
Dr.Ruth:Hitting close to home. And Yeah. I was mad at her in that moment because I felt like she was being mean to him. Mhmm. But I loved that they did that with her.
Dr.Ruth:When I when I saw the movie, by the end, I was like, I love that they didn't make her this sycophant. Know, this, what's keeping me sick with me? Damsel in distress. And I think other versions have tried to make her this, like, you know, tough girl journalist. Like, they tried to do I felt like they started to try to do that with Amy Adams.
Quenton:Mhmm. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:But after, like, one or two kisses, she was just like Yeah. Swoo.
Quenton:And I I usually like Amy Adams. Me too. But her her interpretation of Lois Lane, or at least the way Lois Lane was was written, I didn't feel you know, they gave her a few moments, you know, between the movies where she was, you know, Lois Lane, investigative journalist, you know, trying to get the story or whatever, but I really felt like that took a backseat to, you know, being Superman's woman.
Dr.Ruth:For sure.
Quenton:You know?
Dr.Ruth:For sure. She did not ever press him.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Especially not journalistically. She never was like, well, do you think it's right to act unilaterally in a way that can affect Mhmm. You know, world powers and
Quenton:Absolutely.
Dr.Ruth:Governmental affairs. Mhmm. It's always been the government posing that question to him. It's never been anyone close to him posing that question, and it was profound to witness. Actually, that changes the conversation Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:For him. Yep. And it hits him in a in a deeper place than if, you know, one of the some he's sitting in front of a panel of generals, you know, and, like, trying to explain, I'm not here to hurt you. I'm here to help. You know?
Dr.Ruth:So that was interesting, you know, and I I I didn't like her, but then by the end of the movie, I actually did really like her and I, you know, it's interesting that you're like, yeah, Superman needs a girl who's gonna hold him accountable. Yeah.
Quenton:I really appreciated that because they showed that she wasn't just Superman's girlfriend.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:She was a professional journalist, whose primary goal is to get the story and get to the truth of whatever Yeah. The thing is that's happening. Yeah. And I think they did a really good job of illustrating that, with her.
Dr.Ruth:So And, also, in the end, she kinda saves him.
Quenton:Yes.
Dr.Ruth:She contributes to his rescue Mhmm. Greatly
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Right, by not giving up Mhmm. And being the one to go straight to the justice gang.
Quenton:The yeah.
Dr.Ruth:To the justice gang. To the justice gang. We'll get to them in a second. And, you know, try to rally their support to go and save him. And, you know, it was really her.
Dr.Ruth:She's a driving force. Then she's going back to the paper.
Quenton:Yeah. He would have been lost without
Dr.Ruth:her. Yeah. Yeah. He would have just been in that jail cell if she hadn't mobilized like she did. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:And used her skill as a journalist too. Not only that, you know, because, like, she goes back to Jimmy Mhmm. And they're putting their heads together trying to get to to attack from the other angle at Lex.
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:And, you know, the it's getting to making me think of the Jimmy story. Oh, the Jimmy. Yeah. Which was you know? But but back to Lois.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. I liked that. Yeah. She wasn't a damsel in distress. She wasn't just, you know, his sycophant worshiping girlfriend.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. She was his partner. Yeah. She questioned him when it was appropriate. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:And then when it was time to be his girl, she was Yeah. All in and, in my opinion, rescued him.
Quenton:Yeah. Yeah. I I would say this is one of the better interpretations of Lois Lane that we've Yeah. Seen on screens.
Dr.Ruth:For sure.
Quenton:Yeah. Yeah. So going to the Justice gang and that whole crew, I felt like that was really well done. Same. Because we've seen
Dr.Ruth:Green Lanterns.
Quenton:The Green Lanterns in various iterations and stuff and different things. Hallgirl really hasn't come up a lot in different things, but she was great in this movie. Isabelle Merced, who we know from
Dr.Ruth:The Last of Us.
Quenton:The Last of Us. Phenomenal.
Dr.Ruth:Gosh. Can she do any wrong?
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And also as Dora the Explorer.
Quenton:Yes. As Dora.
Dr.Ruth:You know, her complete you know? But she's just great. Yeah. She's got so much personality. She's stunning.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. And she's one of those pretty people that uses it to effect in a way that is not off putting. Yeah. You know? You don't feel like she's using it on you.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. You know? But it's there. It's there. It's undeniable.
Dr.Ruth:She's stunning, and she's funny.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Mhmm.
Quenton:I think my my only I wouldn't even call it a critique was that I wanted more screen time with her. But they packed so much into this movie that I understand why they couldn't give her more screen time.
Dr.Ruth:Absolutely.
Quenton:But for the time she was on the screen, she was great.
Dr.Ruth:Fantastic.
Quenton:And I'm sure there will do there'll be spin offs or whatever and
Dr.Ruth:I hope so.
Quenton:You know, more stuff with her in it. But, yeah, she was awesome.
Dr.Ruth:At least for the, you know, the group. You know? I don't know if they need to go down the road of giving everybody their own show and or feature film. Yeah. You know?
Dr.Ruth:But if it's gonna be with Isabelle Merced, I'm going to tune in.
Quenton:Mhmm. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:You know? And it was interesting when you mentioned, like, they didn't take that road of we're going to let every character on here get enough of a setup that we can then launch Yeah. Another
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Property Yeah. Off of them is so important to not taking you out of the movie. Yeah. Because I feel like that's the mistake they made with Black Panther too. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:I complain about this all the time. Because I like the characters Mhmm. And I didn't mind their inclusion. I thought they were great. But spending too much time with them Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And maybe there was too many they were trying to introduce all at once
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I feel like this was a very skilled way of doing the same thing without taking us out of Yeah. Story. So yeah.
Quenton:Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. So we had her, and then we had, the Green Lantern guy, Gardner, who was hilarious.
Dr.Ruth:That haircut?
Quenton:The bow cut.
Dr.Ruth:My gosh. It was so bad.
Quenton:But that's, you know, pretty much comic accurate. Yeah. I mean, for people that keep up with
Dr.Ruth:the comics. Yeah. You were telling me that. I was like, what what's up with this hair? Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:What was up with this hair?
Quenton:Yeah. And the guy that played him, Nathan Fillion, is like a I mean, he's he's been around for a long time, and everybody loves him in Hollywood. He's been in a lot of good stuff. Yeah. And just a great actor.
Quenton:And I think he really sold Guy Gardner in this movie.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Like, you
Quenton:you hated him. Like, he was this
Dr.Ruth:But the Green Lantern is not a lovable character person.
Quenton:Yeah. He wasn't he wasn't supposed to be likable because Guy Gardner in the comics isn't a likable guy. He's abrasive.
Dr.Ruth:You know,
Quenton:people really don't mess with him.
Dr.Ruth:You know?
Quenton:And he sold that in this movie.
Dr.Ruth:Right on down the
Quenton:You know? Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. It wasn't like he was like, oh, gosh. This guy's such
Quenton:a
Dr.Ruth:jerk that it's not funny. Yeah. It was actually like, no. He was really funny. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And, you know, even down to it was like a small things that they had to do or say, you know, like the middle fingers. The mid with the yeah. With the tanks.
Quenton:The hell yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That was
Quenton:That was hilarious.
Dr.Ruth:That was perfect. Like, that was that was where I was like, James Gunn, you son of a gun.
Quenton:Yeah. But, yeah, I definitely think my my favorite scene in this movie was mister terrific.
Dr.Ruth:Goodness gracious.
Quenton:Because he to me, he kinda stole the show.
Dr.Ruth:Mean I feel like he stole almost every scene Yeah. He was in because talk about perfect casting.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:We know him from For All Mankind.
Quenton:From For All Mankind. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. And even before that, we know him from
Quenton:X Men.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. The other Marvel. Yeah. Yeah. Where he didn't spend too much time on screen.
Dr.Ruth:No. But this was a part it was like this role was, like, written for him.
Quenton:Absolutely.
Dr.Ruth:Somehow, he was able to become mister terrific.
Quenton:Yeah. He was completely believable.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:You know, he had the demeanor of a a guy who has means and technology and who was the
Dr.Ruth:Brilliance.
Quenton:Extremely brilliant, smartest guy in the room, able to figure stuff out, and he sold it. And what I also liked was that he wasn't just a nerd, though. No. That that scene where him and Lois are walking into that Camp. Military camp or whatever, and he just wreck shop
Dr.Ruth:Yes. I
Quenton:with everybody.
Dr.Ruth:I was like, I cannot believe they included this scene Mhmm. To allow him to kick butt because, like, oh my gosh. I didn't expect that. I didn't see it coming because he's he's this ancillary character. I didn't expect him to give him, like, a whole several minutes Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Or maybe it felt like a couple minutes
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Of just straight
Quenton:And and but I like that they included that because you know that he can hold his own.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. Because initially, when he told her he was
Quenton:gonna go with computer guy.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Like like Lex Luthor.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Right? And initially, when he said, I'll go with you, and then he didn't enlist the others Mhmm. I was kinda like, they don't wanna bring Brainiac. Yeah. I was like, you don't wanna bring Green Lantern?
Dr.Ruth:And you're just gonna take Brainiac. Yeah. But no. No. He proved himself to be
Quenton:Completely confident.
Dr.Ruth:Multilevel competent. Yeah. Yeah. I really, really enjoyed him. And when he and then it was it was the humor notes with him too that were very good and not too much.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Like, when he mushed, oh boy. Oh, but
Quenton:he mushed the dude in the Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:At the computer?
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:He was like, I don't need your help. I just it was great. It was giving just the right amount of of swag and arrogance Yeah. Confidence. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Something I feel like like the the brother is just Yeah. It's gotta be. You know?
Quenton:He was a fully realized
Dr.Ruth:Yes.
Quenton:Character on his own.
Dr.Ruth:On his own inside of this very big, very big character movie.
Quenton:Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I I I really enjoyed it. Like, I would watch if he had a spin off movie or show or whatever, I would definitely watch that.
Dr.Ruth:A 100%.
Quenton:He was Yeah. Outstanding.
Dr.Ruth:I would like to I would definitely like to see a justice gang.
Quenton:I mean,
Dr.Ruth:is that what they go by in the
Quenton:That's what they were going by in the movie.
Dr.Ruth:But in the comics, is that what they go by?
Quenton:I don't remember.
Dr.Ruth:Because I kept thinking the whole time. I'm like, wait. Isn't it Justice League? And then I was like, no. Justice League is Batman Superman.
Quenton:It's There's the Justice League. I think there was the Justice Association or something of America. There was, like, a couple different groups of
Dr.Ruth:Okay.
Quenton:Superheroes running around.
Dr.Ruth:So So I yeah. Well, either way, I would I would tune in for a a Justice Gang movie. Yeah. I think.
Quenton:You know?
Dr.Ruth:It kinda gives me, like, if Fantastic Four works Mhmm. You know
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That this is what this group is gonna be like. Mhmm. You know, I hope.
Quenton:Because I'm
Dr.Ruth:I'm really I'm really counting on you, Pedro. I digress. So okay. Now Lex Luthor, speaking of the man himself. The man that myth the legend, Nick Holt.
Quenton:He killed it.
Dr.Ruth:I feel like he was the best Lex Luthor.
Quenton:Yeah. He Because he really sold the megalomaniacal Genius.
Dr.Ruth:Genius.
Quenton:Genius has resources out the wazoo, But he is also super jealous. Yes. And he
Dr.Ruth:Of the adoration.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. But he has what's crazy about that, mind you, is he has a team Mhmm. Of complete That was hilarious. Yeah. Loyal sycophants around him doing horrific things and not, like, thinking to stop and question him not once.
Dr.Ruth:They're all just doing this horrible work.
Quenton:But that's people, you
Dr.Ruth:No. But what I'm saying is, like, but somehow that's not enough for him.
Quenton:Mhmm. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I think it's, like, because they're on the payroll.
Quenton:Payroll. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:So but he when he kept dropping those pencils, I was like, my god. I was like What more he came up. I was like, what more does he actually want? He actually has people groveling at his literal meat, and it still was I think he wants to be liked.
Quenton:But you know what? I I think
Dr.Ruth:Or loved.
Quenton:They say that the best villains are the ones that are written that in a way that they really believe that they're the hero. And I think that's what he truly believed. He saw Superman as this alien. We don't know what he's up to. He's got these superpowers.
Dr.Ruth:Why do we trust him so much?
Quenton:Why do we trust him? We gotta figure out a way to stop him. He hasn't really earned all of this adoration and all these powers and stuff. You know, he I think he really felt like Superman was an impostor.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:And I I I really believe this Lex Luthor, you know
Dr.Ruth:He believes it.
Quenton:He absolutely believes it. Yeah. He's jealous too. Like like, why does this guy get all the love and
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Yeah. But you're right. That's true. He he drank it so cool.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. He truly believed that Mhmm. Obviously, there was a huge part of self serving Mhmm. You know, motivation here for what he was doing because he wants he wants all the adulation. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:He wants all the praise, and he wants the military contracts. Right? So then the country Yeah. He wants
Quenton:to be the protector.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. And be that guy. But, also, yeah, he probably maybe yeah. I feel like he did sell Nick Holt sold it. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:That deep down, he doesn't trust him either.
Quenton:Yeah. Absolutely.
Dr.Ruth:Because he doesn't totally get him. Mhmm. And one of the reasons he probably doesn't get him is the selflessness. Yeah. He hasn't yet
Quenton:really be that good.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. Like, he doesn't Come on. Come on. What's in it? You
Quenton:got all this power.
Dr.Ruth:Right.
Quenton:You're Superman.
Dr.Ruth:Right. You're
Quenton:not really
Dr.Ruth:this good.
Quenton:Like, nobody's that
Dr.Ruth:good. Is that self serving. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought Nicholas Hoult, man, he he blew me away with his portrayal. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I I bought him as Lex Luthor hook, line, and sinker. Yeah. And he was on the shortlist. I was reading, I think, in a Times article. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:He was on the shortlist for Superman, Which I would have been such a mistake.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And not no offense to Nick Holt. I think he's gorgeous. But I mean.
Quenton:Superman's got a certain look.
Dr.Ruth:He has a look.
Quenton:You know, Cavill, Cora Sweat, you know.
Dr.Ruth:They have the look.
Quenton:They've got the jaw.
Dr.Ruth:The thing.
Quenton:The jaw. The jaw. They've they've got the the manhole. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Thing within the cleft chin.
Quenton:Yeah. And the the hair and the there's a certain look you need to have
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. For sure.
Quenton:To play Superman. You know?
Dr.Ruth:Agreed.
Quenton:So but he was great as Lex Luther and
Dr.Ruth:Fantastic. What a find.
Quenton:Killed it. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And okay. Now other character that I don't wanna forget or talk about is Jimmy.
Quenton:Oh, yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I feel like they
Quenton:Jimmy Long Shakes.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Mhmm. You are dying every scene. Because Was it Erica?
Quenton:Yeah. Well, all the women in the movie
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:Well, first, they started out with the
Dr.Ruth:The copy girl.
Quenton:The the girls in the newsroom. Mhmm. You know, pointing at them and kinda whispering.
Dr.Ruth:Which at the time, I thought they were pointing at at at Superman. I thought they were pointing at Clark.
Quenton:I knew they were pointing at Jimmy.
Dr.Ruth:Knew that.
Quenton:Be it was something about the way they were looking at him and pointing. And I was like, man, like and they weren't, like, making fun of him.
Dr.Ruth:No. They were like It
Quenton:was a
Dr.Ruth:little that's why I thought it was Clark. Yeah. Because I was like and I thought to myself in that moment, I was like, yeah. I don't know why he thinks it's disguised anyway. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:You know?
Quenton:So what was funny about this version of Jimmy Olsen is that in some version of the comics, Jimmy is kind of a man about town. So he's, you know, good with the ladies.
Dr.Ruth:Okay. I didn't know that.
Quenton:Not a lot of, you know, movies and shows that way. Ever shown.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. If
Quenton:any have ever shown.
Dr.Ruth:Kinda show him as like a bookish little
Quenton:He's kind of a
Dr.Ruth:Always right hand guy. Yeah.
Quenton:Just kind of a side guy. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:But Wow.
Quenton:Apparently, Jimmy been slinging that meat, you Hey. So That's what he's been doing. Because every woman in this movie that had an interaction with Jimmy.
Dr.Ruth:Was sprung.
Quenton:It was all about Jimmy Olsen. And I like that they never said it out loud.
Dr.Ruth:No.
Quenton:You know? It was just It was kind of alluded to.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. That Hey. He's a ladies' man. There's something about Jimmy. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Because that girl's gorgeous. Yeah. And he's got her in his phone as mutant bros. And even and told her to her, like, ears that her feet look like would you say shrimp cocktail?
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Like, hilarious. Her toes look like shrimp cocktail shrimp. And speaking of, I think her name is Erica. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Forgive me.
Quenton:I think mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:E. It starts with a g. Yeah. Something like yeah. Okay.
Dr.Ruth:Gorgeous woman. The whole I just loved how they used her. Mhmm. Because the whole entire time, she's just there. Lex Luthor is, like, arm cannon.
Quenton:Side piece.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. And he's kind of a jerk to her, but also I'm looking at her like, well, I know why you're your sister. Yeah. She's taking her selfie. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:We're not paying any attention.
Quenton:No. Didn't pay any attention to her.
Dr.Ruth:And no. And then when she finally says, I've got everything to take you down.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I'm thinking she snuck and pulled some
Quenton:Some documents or something.
Dr.Ruth:Right. Yeah. And all she does is go to her little selfies album. Mhmm. On her phone and select all Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:And hit send.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Crazy.
Quenton:Which made me wonder if she had actually been planning
Dr.Ruth:All along?
Quenton:If she had been purposely doing that all along or if she just realized like,
Dr.Ruth:oh, dude. I think that I don't know that okay. So I don't know that she was planning to tell Jimmy and report to the Daily Planet, but I think she knew who she was dealing with. Mhmm. And she was like, I'm gonna have leverage on this guy one way or the other Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Kind of thing. I think that's what I think all along. Mhmm. Like, for example, the reason you can't say it was, like, oh, serendipity that she just happened to have this stuff in the background was she was laying on those documents. This the Oh, yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. The the selfie they showed with her laying on the contracts. Yeah. Like, this was definitely well thought out in on her part, and it just gave her so much, like, oh, wow. She's this is an intelligence.
Dr.Ruth:It's not just a piece of arm candy.
Quenton:Yeah. And that's what's funny too is, you know, Lex thinks he's the
Dr.Ruth:smartest guy in the world.
Quenton:Nobody can get over on him, and, you know, he's got plans on top of plans. Yep. He's thinking, you know, five moves ahead. Yep. The person right next to him, he completely Disregarded him.
Quenton:Overlooked and ignored, you know, and she was the one to take him down.
Dr.Ruth:So Yeah. I thought it was really fitting.
Quenton:Satisfying, actually
Dr.Ruth:It was like
Quenton:see that.
Dr.Ruth:Hubris Yeah. Took him down. Mhmm. He underestimates everyone around him, not just her.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:But I'm sure especially her. Mhmm. Look how he treated the other girlfriend.
Quenton:Oh, yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Just put her in a prison cell. Yeah. Like, so he's obviously there's a misogyny there.
Quenton:Yeah. Of course.
Dr.Ruth:You know? And he disreg completely disregards her and to his detriment. And good. And I love that message coming in. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:It came back to bite him. Like Yeah. You think you're so smart. And the person you thought was the dumbest person in this room Mhmm. Took you out, my friend.
Dr.Ruth:Yep. Well no. But I love that, and I love the reunion in the end, and they still they're like that Jimmy is just convinced he does not want this girl is comedy gold to me. Because even in the end when she's like, she will be when she raps. And everyone's looking like, who is this babe?
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. All over Jimmy. And he's just like, oh. Shit. I I lived for that.
Dr.Ruth:I was like, okay, Jimmy. Yeah. Jimmy was the man. Alright. What else do I have here?
Dr.Ruth:I guess, yeah, I guess, you know, we're we're coming to the end. One of the things I noticed and really enjoyed is that they tied up all the loose ends that I would have well, sometimes, you know, you walk out of a movie like that, and they're queuing it up to be a sequel. I feel like I didn't get that vibe. Even though we know
Quenton:Yeah. There's gonna be more.
Dr.Ruth:There's gonna be more
Quenton:of it.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I mean, that theater was pretty full Yeah. For out in the country where we are.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I don't know. The the last movie we saw that was at full was probably Black Panther two. Mhmm. You know? Where I was sitting next to folks.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Yeah. Where we didn't have a whole damn of hut for ourselves. Yeah.
Quenton:I was
Dr.Ruth:like, what? And we got to our seats. And I was like, well, okay. This movie's doing well. That's how I knew.
Dr.Ruth:But, yeah, like, it it occurred to me that one of the things that these properties that know they're going to set up for sequel after sequel do is they leave some ends untied. Didn't you feel like this was almost tied up? There was what can you identify any loose ends?
Quenton:I felt everything was wrapped up. And even when they brought in Supergirl at the end
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:Old girl from Game of Thrones.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. Millie.
Quenton:Millie Alcott.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:And they brought her in. I didn't feel like that was this thing just this loose end hanging out.
Dr.Ruth:No.
Quenton:Because the way they introduced her was, you know, a, she'd been away for a minute partying. Yeah. And they brought her in for a minute. And it was very It was yeah. You know, it was it was you know, she's a young girl.
Quenton:She likes to go out and party and stuff. They brought her in. You know, she's been away for a minute. She came back, picked up her dog, and now she's bouncing again.
Dr.Ruth:And they gave her nothing to do. Yeah. She wasn't, like, the and the mistake
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Would have been to bring her into the story. Yeah. Because that would have felt like
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Just, okay, now we're doing too much. Yeah. It would have been a bridge too far, and it would have been, like I said, teetering on that end of, you know, Wakanda Forever where they're now you can feel them queuing up that next story or that spin off.
Quenton:And it feels unnatural.
Dr.Ruth:Yes.
Quenton:Yes. It doesn't feel organic to Mm-mm. The story. And I like the way that they just kinda brought her in. You see it for a minute, and then she leaves.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:And you don't feel invested in her yet.
Dr.Ruth:No.
Quenton:You you're familiar with her now.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. You know she's out there. Exists.
Quenton:You know she exists. Yeah. But you're not invested in her. Like, oh.
Dr.Ruth:Was almost a nothing. Like, I almost forgot about it. Yeah. Yeah. And and that's that was perfect.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That was, like, the only thing that you could point out and say, obviously, there's there's more to come. Mhmm. And then, of course, the justice gang Yeah. With the guy, the elemental man.
Quenton:Oh, metamorphosis.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Mhmm. Is that okay. Yeah. Is he a member of the justice gang?
Quenton:I don't remember.
Dr.Ruth:Okay. Well, there it feels like the okay. They're setting down at the yeah. That he wants to join. You You know, things like that, but it was such light airbrush touches
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That you didn't feel that they were purposely leaving a huge bit of the story
Quenton:You're right.
Dr.Ruth:Unanswered Yeah. And come back
Quenton:To make sure you come back next.
Dr.Ruth:When we resolve this issue. Yeah. You know? And not to fault, you know you know, Marvel when they've done that in the past, because sometimes it was necessary. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Like, at the end of, you know, Infinity War. Yeah. Right? We knew we weren't gonna wrap that up in
Quenton:one But
Dr.Ruth:sometimes it's to the detriment of the movie. Yeah. In this case, I love that they wrapped up everything.
Quenton:Yeah. This was a self contained movie where there was nothing left unfinished. Yeah. And you could watch this movie by itself Mhmm. And be done.
Dr.Ruth:Right. Which is one of the problems Marvel's running into
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Is that content everywhere Yeah. And then each one is tied into the other. Yeah. And you could watch this. It's siloed.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. You know? And I love that about it. Because now our kids. One of the problems we have getting the kids into Marvel is
Quenton:So many Marvel properties. Yeah. And, like, where do you start?
Dr.Ruth:Where do you start? Where do you really start chronologically? You know, I'm sure there's a Reddit page somewhere that's gonna tell me exactly what order to watch them all in. But Mhmm. You know, then they went down the deep dive with the Infinity Saga.
Dr.Ruth:And
Quenton:But it's also a lot of content. Yes. A lot of properties. Yeah. And you can't watch them all.
Dr.Ruth:No. They're they're never be able to. I mean, even when they're adults. But, you know, we have to sit there and watch it with them. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And I don't have time to watch all of the Iron Man, all of the Captain mar Captain America's, Captain Marvel, all the Hulk, everything, and put it all together to make sense to them.
Quenton:And they also can't keep up with all
Dr.Ruth:of that.
Quenton:I mean, they're six and three.
Dr.Ruth:But I feel like Yeah. A six and three year old could go see this movie.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:And the there there's violence, obviously, but it's not gore.
Quenton:Yeah. My only criticism about this movie related to kids is they had some language in there that I didn't really feel was necessary.
Dr.Ruth:Okay.
Quenton:You know?
Dr.Ruth:I missed it, but I'm from Jersey.
Quenton:So Yeah. You you curse a little more than that.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I went right through it.
Quenton:I I definitely
Dr.Ruth:What what did they say?
Quenton:You know, some s words and some, you know, few other things.
Dr.Ruth:You know what? Mhmm. It's so funny. When the kids are there, if I hear that in, like, remember we were watching what was the movie? Was it Iron Man?
Dr.Ruth:Captain Marvel? One of them. Mhmm. It was Captain Marvel. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:And they said the s word just a
Quenton:couple times. I I overheard it.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Samuel L. Jackson, I think, said it. Mhmm. Of makes sense.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. And I was like, dang it. Like, oh, there's too much person in this movie. Mhmm. But yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Quenton:That was gonna say totally Definitely.
Dr.Ruth:Kid appropriate.
Quenton:But yeah. No. My ears definitely pricked up. You know, there were a couple phrases, a couple words in there, and I was like
Dr.Ruth:Okay. Yeah.
Quenton:So So that would be my
Dr.Ruth:own obviously. You know, I'm a terrible mother. But
Quenton:But, no, I I think if your kids are mature enough and if they've heard that stuff before, then it's not a problem. So
Dr.Ruth:And I I just meant the kid friendly thing, I really meant more from the standpoint of, like, you don't have to go into this with institutional DC knowledge.
Quenton:Yeah. No.
Dr.Ruth:To enjoy the heck out
Quenton:of it.
Dr.Ruth:No. Because I'm a perfect example that I have just light light knowledge. Mhmm. I'm not deep in the lore than in a cannon freak about any of it. And so I'm going in with like a clean palette.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. And I really enjoyed it, and I never felt lost. Mhmm. Even though they introduced new characters, I was not like, who the heck are these? What?
Dr.Ruth:What? And there wasn't all this history Yeah. And stuff. So Yeah. Definitely loved that.
Dr.Ruth:Loved that they tied up the loose ends at the end. Like, even the that last detail that I was like, gosh, they are doing a good job tying up these loose ends of how Lex got into the Fortress Of Solitude.
Quenton:Oh, yeah. Right. Right.
Dr.Ruth:Right? Mhmm. Is a clone. Yeah. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:We I didn't did you suspect it the whole time? No. No.
Quenton:I had no idea.
Dr.Ruth:It wasn't until the mask came off Mhmm. That I was like and then it dawned on me. Mhmm. I was like when he said, he's a clone.
Quenton:Mhmm. And as soon as
Dr.Ruth:he said the words, I had you cloned me or someone said clone, and I was like Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. That explains it.
Dr.Ruth:And I love that. And then we moved on. You know what I mean? But, yeah, we tied up everything. It is a great standalone
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Standalone film. Yeah. It's something I'm gonna definitely be able to watch again.
Quenton:Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I think we can definitely take the kids to see
Quenton:it. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I think they would enjoy it. I think it's something you should see in IMAX, to be honest with you. You're normally more of a
Quenton:Yes. An
Dr.Ruth:IMAX purist than me. Yes. Sometimes I'm just like, can we just see the freaking movie? No. But But we did see it in IMAX, and I highly recommend because there's so many high flying aerial shots of the earth and space.
Dr.Ruth:And just it's such a
Quenton:big Metropolis.
Dr.Ruth:Yes. All the shots from Yeah. I think IMAX was the way to go for sure.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:So if you have IMAX near you, that's the way to go. Yeah. Absolutely. And I will say this last thing. This is the only time that I have ever heard out loud, like, applause and cheering at the end of a DC film.
Dr.Ruth:Never happened.
Quenton:You know what?
Dr.Ruth:Never happened in the history of
Quenton:The only one I recall was, I think it was one of the Nolan Batman movies.
Dr.Ruth:Applause?
Quenton:It was one of those. Yeah. It was I heard remember Applause at one I can't remember if it was I don't know if it was Batman Begins or it might have been the last one. But, anyway, either way, I think that one one of those was, like, the only one I've ever heard applause for.
Dr.Ruth:Okay.
Quenton:But, yeah, you're right. There's never been applause in any other DC movie I've
Dr.Ruth:been in. Cheering and yeah. No. That's more of a Marvel thing.
Quenton:Yeah. This was but you're right. I forgot about I was Yeah. I remember sitting there like,
Dr.Ruth:oh, Like,
Quenton:People really like this.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. And you don't And
Quenton:I did too. But yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Walk away. No offense. You don't usually walk away from DC films with this, like, feel good Yeah. Situation Mhmm. Where it's like this happy ending because now he's back.
Dr.Ruth:The droids are not totally dead. Yeah. You know? So that Oh, yeah. Sadness broke my heart when those four drones did.
Dr.Ruth:I was I was, like, crying. I was stifling tears because between crypto and the robots, I was like, couldn't take it. But, yeah, they they kinda gave us that happy ending. And then did you notice when they said he said the same line of he likes to watch the videos with his parents. His comfort team.
Dr.Ruth:But it
Quenton:was his earth parents
Dr.Ruth:this time. Yeah. I was like, oh. Yeah.
Quenton:But you know what? I will say that this Superman really hit on the message of, like, hope.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah.
Quenton:And, you know because he he even says it in the movie, like, I just wanna be a good man or something to that effect. Yeah. I'm here to be a good man. Like, that's all I'm trying to do. Yeah.
Quenton:I think that really resonated with people.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:Because as much as I love, you know, Snyder's interpretation of Superman and all that, it was it was dark.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm.
Quenton:You know,
Dr.Ruth:it's Mhmm.
Quenton:Or darker than most Superman movies should have been.
Dr.Ruth:You're not gonna break out into applause at the
Quenton:end of
Dr.Ruth:this film.
Quenton:At the end of at the end of Snyder's Superman, you're like,
Dr.Ruth:man, like, fuck. Like, wow. That was amazing. Saved saved Earth. Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. This was
Quenton:This definitely
Dr.Ruth:managed to take us down into the depths of a low low. That prison was
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:The death of Molly.
Quenton:Oh, yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That guy, what a low low.
Quenton:Oh, man. That was terrible. Yeah. Again The street vendor guy.
Dr.Ruth:Stifling tears when he said, I believe in you, Superman. Mhmm. And then he said, I believe That dude was a hero. My god.
Quenton:And that's what I like too is that they acknowledged him
Dr.Ruth:Yes.
Quenton:End. At with the paper.
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. And they were like
Quenton:The true hero or something.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I just there were the low lows in terms of, like, you were just so sad. And what crypto was missing for those few minutes
Quenton:That's you.
Dr.Ruth:I was this crypto. I was a wreck. Me and the girl next to you, you, we were, like, concerned. We she she sat
Quenton:up Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:When they took crypto. So I I think, like, it got dark
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:But it didn't stay this brooding, dark thing. And in the end, to
Quenton:hear people angsty.
Dr.Ruth:No. Yeah. To hear people there was angst, but the angsty Yeah. He didn't leave, like, Bruce Wayne just, like, forever gonna be damn angsty. Like, you know?
Dr.Ruth:And I just Mhmm. Yeah. To hear people applauding, I thought I was like, okay, they all agree with me. This was, like, not bright and sunny Superman, like it's doing the property a disservice. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:But there was something distinctively Yeah. Happy at the end. Hopeful at the end. So Yeah. Yeah.
Quenton:Yeah. I will I will I will still say, you know, the the Snyder vision of Superman, the whole DC universe is still my favorite, but this movie definitely stands on its
Dr.Ruth:own. Mhmm.
Quenton:And I was I'm very happy to see this version of it.
Dr.Ruth:I am too.
Quenton:You know, I think it it did the the institution of Superman a a service. I think it was
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Very good. Yeah. And I I would say, obviously, you know, he's taken over. This is a new chapter for the DC cinematic universe.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:I think it it spells a a pretty bright future. If if they're heading in the is this direction they're heading in, I'm more invested as someone who, again, is, you know, more of a Marvel fan
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:For the thirty fifth time, I'm gonna say. So no. Really. Because sometimes, like Mhmm. I feel like I gotta get my mind right to go watch a Batman movie.
Dr.Ruth:Like, here we go. Let's get ready to be depressed, and everything's freaking dirty. And Gotham is, like, the most horrific version of New York City you could ever Like, don't get me wrong. It's entertaining. It's all get out.
Dr.Ruth:Like, the penguin
Quenton:Oh, the penguin
Dr.Ruth:was amazing. Insane.
Quenton:The penguin was amazing.
Dr.Ruth:But, also, I was depressed. It was depressing. That that ending was flipping depressed, and it was great. But it was it was it was really, like I said, just such a refreshing change of pace to see that. And I'm I'm actually, like, looking forward to those next films, whatever they are.
Dr.Ruth:I don't know what they are. Is it Supergirl? Right?
Quenton:I know there's a Supergirl planned and probably a few more Superman movies and
Dr.Ruth:Mhmm. Whole bunch
Quenton:of other stuff.
Dr.Ruth:But you know what? More importantly, we don't know what it is. Mhmm.
Quenton:As in
Dr.Ruth:they don't have a roster of 30 films.
Quenton:Already planned.
Dr.Ruth:Already planned out that they're about to
Quenton:At least not publicly.
Dr.Ruth:That we know that they're going to milk out of all of these characters that they showed us. So I think that's good. Let's pump our brakes and enjoy this one. Yeah. Everybody, let's not get all crazy.
Dr.Ruth:And, yeah, just enjoy it. Maybe see it more than once and send the message.
Quenton:Yeah.
Dr.Ruth:That this is the kind of superhero storytelling we're interested in. You know?
Quenton:Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I I definitely enjoyed it.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. Alright. Well, thank you so much to you all for listening. That brings us to the end of our Superman movie instant takes. Mhmm.
Dr.Ruth:Thank you to my special guest.
Quenton:Well, thank you for having me.
Dr.Ruth:Yeah. I didn't have a choice. Was waiting for the point where you were gonna say Where are you? I was waiting for the point where you're gonna say that I forced you to do this. But you had a blast.
Quenton:I did. It was excellent.
Dr.Ruth:I didn't actually plan on having a guest on this early, but Aw. I thought that you know, because, you know, this is a a young podcast, but I thought who better to discuss a DC film with than
Quenton:Thank you for having me.
Dr.Ruth:My my my resident DC expert. I'm always like, who's that guy? Who's that guy? Oh, thanks. It was fun.
Dr.Ruth:Thanks, babe. Woo hoo. Thanks for joining us. Tune in for next episode is going to be Gilded Age season three episode four coverage, which aired actually tonight. And I'll be covering I'm gonna be doing a recap and reactions on that and should have that up for you by Tuesday.
Dr.Ruth:For now, thanks, and bye bye.
